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As told to Dave Simpson

De La Soul on their belated streaming debut: ‘It felt like we were being erased from history’

(From left) Vincent Mason, AKA Maseo; Kelvin Mercer, AKA Posdnuos; and David Jolicoeur, AKA Trugoy the Dove, who died earlier this month
‘Every piece of work we’ve ever done has a special place in my heart’ … (from left) Maseo, Posdnuos and Trugoy the Dove, who died earlier this month. Photograph: Robert Adam Mayer

You were one of the first non-guitar headline acts at Glastonbury [in 1990]. Was the crowd ready for you? JulestheRun
Kelvin Mercer, AKA Posdnuos: I didn’t really know that, but we were pulled into a world that was already at superstar status. We were learning on the job. The first tour we ever did was with LL Cool J, NWA, Slick Rick and Public Enemy. When we got to Glastonbury, I don’t think we were used to the size of the place and we didn’t know the weight of the name, but people seemed to love us.

What’s the story behind the laughter at the beginning of [Gorillaz’s] Feel Good Inc? VerulamiumParkRanger
Vincent Mason, AKA Maseo: My laugh was always considered pretty infectious. I did it on U Don’t Wanna BDS and it worked. One night, I laughed through the whole song and he [Posdnuos] was like: “He just comes out and laughs and gets a standing ovation.” When we did the Gorillaz record, Damon [Albarn] whispered the rhyme in my ear and I knew exactly where he wanted me to laugh.

Will the physical reissues of your albums be exactly the same as the originals, or did you need to redo some of the samples? johnnymoseley
Posdnuos: A lot of work went into getting hold of the masters and remastering, but everything will sound as tight and beautiful as you remember.
Maseo: It was frustrating that our first six albums weren’t on Spotify [owing to record company disputes]. It felt like we were being erased from history. Newer fans would ask: “Where’s your older stuff?” Now, they’ll be able to get it.

It always seemed as if Prince Paul was your fourth member. How much was he a part of your early style? Lott49
Maseo: The first three albums were Paul’s as much as ours. We started this together and he understood what we were trying to achieve. We all produced, but, having been in Stetsasonic, Paul knew how to navigate the studio, so we learned so much from him. We’ve worked together on the reissues and we hope to do something in the future.

De La Soul pictured in 1991
De La Soul in 1991. Photograph: Ebet Roberts/Redferns

Does it frustrate you that such a deep catalogue is overlooked by many in favour of your first two albums? ChuckLogo
Posdnuos: Every piece of work we’ve ever done has a special place in my heart, but I understand that 3 Feet High and Rising was a groundbreaking album. It made people understand that you don’t have to follow certain rules to make music. But I hope people do take time to appreciate the other albums.

Who was Jeff, the kid rapping on The Mack Daddy on the Left? Where is he now? Lott49
Maseo: Dave’s cousin [Dave is David Jolicoeur, AKA Trugoy the Dove]. He was 12 at the time. Fast forward to AOI: Bionix [2001] and he’s Philly Black on the song The Sauce.
Posdnuous: He was a lot of fun. He’s got to be 40 now.

A lot of golden-era hip-hop fans look down on the mumble rap styles of today. How do you feel about it? Seuss1871
Posdnuos: I don’t agree with that. When we came out, it could have been the same, like: “What is this?” But things evolve. They’re using the tools that they have, just like we were.

The storybook presentation and skits of your second album, De La Soul Is Dead, seemed wilfully combative in light of the previous album’s “gameshow” spoken-word segments. What do you make of it now? sandamiano
Posdnuos: We had no problem poking fun at ourselves. We thought we were doing great things, but we had no problem with saying, like: “OK, the kid didn’t like it, he threw it in the garbage.”
Maseo: On the second album, we learned the importance of controlling the narrative. I learned early on that a hit record can hurt your entire body of work if you let the industry control your narrative.

Watch the video for Eye Know, the third UK single from De La Soul’s 1989 debut, 3 Feet High and Rising.

What was/is the creative energy like in the studio when you work together? Optigram
Posdnuos: In the early days, it would be: “Mmm, I’ve got an idea,” and it could be Dave or Paul saying: “Great. Let me add this.” People would come by and end up on the record ’cause we did a lot of skits and crowd participation. DJ Quik has a theory that when you record on two-inch magnetic tape, the tape picks up the energy in the room, so it ends up on the actual recording. We can now do great things with digital, but I think on that first album you can really hear all the fun we had.

Has technology changed how you make music, or do you still buy vinyl and use decks? Lott49
Posdnuos: In the beginning, samplers meant you could do whatever came into your head. Using a harmoniser meant that, for Say No Go, I could put the beginning of [Hall and Oates’] I Can’t Go for That (No Can Do) over a Sly Stone sample and change the pitch so they fitted. Nowadays, I surf the web. There’s this plethora of music and sound, so I’ve incorporated more than digging for records.

You’ve collaborated with a lot of British artists, but one of my favourites was with the sadly departed Ty. Any particular memories of this underrated artist? CiaranNorris
Posdnuos: Ty was, and will always be, my brother. He was just such a kindhearted individual. His quiet, friendly way of expressing things was reminiscent of things we did. He was very creative, had great concepts. He was just an all-round beautiful dude.

Could you tell us a story about working with MF Doom? 712new
Posdnuos: Wow. The same. He was a fellow Long Island brother with his brother Subroc and Onyx the Birthstone Kid [who formed the hip-hop trio KMD]. We used to see each other around the hip-hop scene and he was an amazing loss. In the studio, he didn’t have the mask on. He was like a kid: “Pos, what do you think of this?” with this sneaky little laugh with his hand over his mouth. Then he’d get in the booth and lay down a rhyme so mindblowing I’d have to rewrite mine.

When I was a teenager, I had a washed-out De La daisy T-shirt that fell apart. Have you kept any mementoes? Lott49
Posdnuos: I am a De La Soul memorabilia hoarder. I have pretty much every shirt, every medallion, every flyer from a DJ party. I have it all in storage boxes.
Maseo: I’ve got a few things. My shirt from the 1989 tour with LL and Slick Rick just floats around the house. My daughter wears it.

You were pop stars; now, you are icons. Are you comfortable with fame? tmstms
Posdnuos: It turned out beyond our wildest dreams. When I was a kid, I looked up to David Bowie and the Rolling Stones, who had proper careers – I always thought a rap artist should be able to do that. I dreamed that De La Soul could be the Rolling Stones. Now, I look out over an audience at a festival or family show and see three generations of people. It’s absolutely humbling. I met Ron Wood from the Stones at the Jazz Cafe [in London] when we were watching Bobby Womack. He said: “Isn’t Bobby amazing?” and I said yes, but I was thinking: “It’s amazing that I’m sitting here talking to you.”

3 Feet High and Rising is reissued on vinyl on 3 March. De La Soul’s first six albums will be available on streaming services from the same day

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