In Politics Weekly we ask whether Britain will ever come to terms with its EU membership after Nick Clegg, the most pro-European party leader, faced a frontbench rebellion on the new EU Treaty.
To get us in the mood we play Ode to Joy, Beethoven's 9th symphony, the EU's unofficial anthem.
Charles Clarke, the former Home Secretary, thinks that Nick Clegg has shown poor leadership on Europe. But Charles also believes that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are partly to blame for failing to settle Britain's position in the EU.
We also discuss whether Gordon Brown is finding his feet as Prime Minister. Charles takes a pop at Brown but says he thinks his former cabinet sparring partner has been thinking long and hard about how to improve his performance. Martin Kettle questions Brown's prioristising and Jenni Russell is unclear what the government stands for.
