In the politics pod today Tom Clark and I are discussing Northern Ireland, the G20 and the 25th anniversary of the miners' strike with columnists Martin Kettle and Seumas Milne.
Seumas & Martin agree that there is clearly more dissent on the estates of Northern Ireland than hitherto thought, and though both are united in surprise at hearing those who killed the policeman in Northern Ireland called "traitors" by Martin McGuiness, Martin Kettle thinks it's more significant that DUP politicians have not so far gone down the path of denouncing the deaths of the soldiers as "murders".
Looking back on the miners' strike, Seumas - who wrote The Enemy Within on the 1984 battle between Margaret Thatcher and the miners - corrects the idea that the defeat of the miners' strike was a tipping point.
Looking ahead, Martin thinks the economic downturn could herald the return of a new type of capitalism with space for more unionism in the workplace... but he takes the opportunity to scotch the idea capitalism is "dead". "We may well all die under capitalism," Kettle sums up.
How can you resist?
