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General election 2017: Boris Johnson 'understands reservations' about social care plan – as it happened

Boris Johnson mistakenly says £350m NHS promise is in Tory manifesto

Summary

That’s your lot today. Here’s a summary:

Labour is fighting to halt a slide in its traditionally rock-solid minority ethnic vote which threatens to cost it even more seats, according to a new study, writes Vikram Dodd.

The survey by the non-party Operation Black Vote says: “Black minority ethnic [BME] voters are increasingly moving out of the ‘inner cities’ – areas with high concentrations of BME residents – and into more marginal and less diverse election battlegrounds.

“There is no doubt that the challenge for Labour is to stem the flow of BME votes to the Conservatives. The key to this will be to hold BME support in the small towns, especially the marginal swing seats, rather than concentrating effort in their ‘inner city’ heartlands.”

Wise heads are reminding us not to get carried away with a talk of a wobble in the polls for the Tories or a backlash over their social care plans.

And besides the lead for May is still huge.

Ken Clarke
Ken Clarke Photograph: David Levene for the Guardian

Former Tory chancellor Ken Clarke has backed his party’s proposals to overhaul social care funding as fair and not a “dementia tax”.

Clarke said it was right to include the value of an elderly person’s property to tackle the crisis in social care.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s The World This Weekend, Clarke said: “What you can do is actually make sure people don’t sell their houses in their lifetime - if they’re one of the unlucky ones and they’re having to spend a lot on social care, that there’s £100,000 if all else fails that will remain for their children.” He added:

“The idea that instead of somebody living in a half a million, million pound house, contributing to their own care, younger people of working age who can’t afford to buy a house should actually pay more tax - because that’s what will happen to actually provide the quantity of social care that we need - is grossly unfair.

“This is free market economics with a social conscience, and as a one-nation Tory it’s what I’ve always believed in, but it’s got to be practical, competent, got to have some common sense.”

Earlier Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said he understood reservations about the plans. And the right wing Bow group think tank said the plans amount to the biggest stealth tax in history.

Chairman Ben Harris-Quinney said:

“These proposals will mean that the majority of property owning citizens could be transferring the bulk of their assets to the government upon death for care they have already paid a lifetime of taxes to receive.

It is a tax on death and on inheritance. It will mean that in the end, the government will have taken the lions share of a lifetime earnings in taxes. If enacted, it is likely to represent the biggest stealth tax in history and when people understand that they will be leaving most of their estate to the government, rather than their families, the Conservative Party will experience a dramatic loss of support.”

Truce for Jo Cox

Labour is pausing its campaign for an hour in memory of Jo Cox, the Labour MP who was murdered last year.

Scottish politicians are sharing lunch.

And candidates from all parties are joining in.

Rowena Mason has another interesting nugget from that Boris interview.

Boris Johnson has suggested Theresa May promised to give the NHS an extra £350m a week at the launch of the Conservative party manifesto, when neither she nor the document made any such promise.

The foreign secretary was pressed on why there was no pledge from the Tories to use any proceeds from Brexit to fund the NHS, when handing over £350m a week was a flagship promise of his campaign to leave the EU.

Asked on ITV’s Peston on Sunday why the £350m was not in the manifesto, Johnson said: “It is. It is. Theresa May, she said it at the launch of the manifesto … She said we are going to take back control.”

The political editor Robert Peston cried: “Where?”, but Johnson went straight into a speech about how the election was a contest between May and Jeremy Corbyn as leaders.

The Conservatives have condemned Corbyn’s failure to condemn the IRA in his interview with Sky.

Security Minister Ben Wallace, said: “People up and down the country will rightly be outraged that Jeremy Corbyn won’t unequivocally condemn the IRA for the bloodshed, bombs and brutal murders they inflicted on a generation of innocent people.

“Jeremy Corbyn has spent a lifetime siding with Britain’s enemies, but he and his extreme views could be leading our country and representing it abroad – negotiating with 27 EU countries in just over 2 weeks’ time. And it’s the British people who will pay for this for generations.”

Labour has been digging up a bit more on Damian Green’s record as a board member of private water company, after Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell raised the issue in a spat with work and pensions secretary.

Green was a non-executive director of South East Water, the party reminds us in an email.

A Labour source said: “This is exactly the sort of thing people don’t like about our rigged system, Tories and the rich people who back them benefiting from the private ownership of our utilities. That’s why we will bring them back into public ownership, for the benefit of the many not the few.”

Labour cites the register of members interest to point out that Green was paid £148 an hour in the role up to 2010.

Green previously worked as a non-exec director for Mid Kent Water, which was acquired by South East in December 2007.

Jeremy Corbyn’s extraordinary reception at a Libertines concert last night is attracting more comment than any weekend interviews he has given.

The Telegraph suggest he “gatecrashed” the gig.

Others saw it differently.

Summary

Here’s a summary of an interesting round of Sunday sofa political knockabout:

Damian Green
Damian Green Photograph: HANDOUT/Reuters

Work and pensions secretary Damian Green was very clear about his party’s determination to stick to its controversial plans on social care.

Just to recap the BBC’s Andrew Marr asked him: “People hate this policy and it makes them very very nervous indeed. Is there any chance at all you are going to look at it again?”

Green replied: “No. What we said in the manifesto, to put that no in context, is that we have set out this policy, which we are not going to look at again.”

But he added a little possible wiggle room for the government by citing the forthcoming review of health and social care.

Green said: “There will be green paper covering both social care and health coming out in the summer, because we all know that the long term solution to social care crisis is better integration of the NHS and social care. That’s the aim of our policy, this is the first step along that road.”

Were the cabinet consulted on the social care plan? Boris Johnson pointedly refused to say.

David Gauke
David Gauke Photograph: Suzanne Plunkett/REUTERS

Chief Secretary to the Treasury David Gauke is the latest cabinet minister to be wheeled out to defend the Conservatives’ plans for social care.

The country has to “face up” to the “significant costs” of health and social care, he told
Andrew Neil on BBC 1’s Sunday Politics.

Gauke added: “In the end someone is going to have to pay for this, it’s going to be a balance between the general taxpayer and those receiving the services. We think we’ve struck the right balance with this set of proposals.”

He said that people in residential care would have their “protection go up by four times as much”, which he claimed was “eliminating an unfairness”.
“That money has got to come from somewhere - we’re setting out a proper plan for it.”

Labour continues to seek to exploit Tory difficulties on the issue.

While Damian Green ruled out a rethink over the Tory plans on social care, Boris Johnson didn’t seem quite so sure. Sam Coates from the Times has this transcript of the foreign secretary’s remarks to Robert Peston. They suggest Johnson shares public “reservations”.

Ladbrokes is the latest bookmakers to cut the odds on Labour. It is now offering 8-1 on Labour winning, down from 16-1.

Jessica Bridge of Ladbrokes said: “Labour’s odds have halved in price in less than a week, and whilst a shock win still looks unlikely, the momentum is clearly with the red team currently.”

“Strong and stable my arse” signs are going up all over London, the Independent has spotted.

The signs have appeared on many boarded up shops.

Boarded-up shop, Kentish Town.

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Corbyn backs 'fair' immigration but gives no numbers

Jeremy Corbyn
Jeremy Corbyn Photograph: Matt Cardy/Getty Images

Corbyn’s comments on immigration are the main focus of attention for the Labour leader’s interview on Sky.

PA quotes him saying a Labour government would deliver a “fair” immigration policy but picks him up for refusing to be drawn on whether it would bring down the numbers coming into the country.

The Labour leader said that if he gained power he would put in place a migration policy based on the needs of society.

He added immigration will “probably be lower” but he did not want to make predictions.

“Freedom of movement obviously ends when you leave the European Union because it’s a condition of the membership,” he told the Sky News’s Sophy Ridge On Sunday.

He added: “I want there to be fair immigration based on the needs of our society. That is the proper way of approaching it.”

Pressed further on the issue, Corbyn went on: “I want us to have a society that works and I cannot get into a numbers game because I don’t think it works.”

Asked again on whether he wanted immigration numbers to increase or decrease, Corbyn replied: “What I want is a society that works and what I want is fair migration.
“It’ll probably be lower but I don’t want to start making predictions on that because the issue has to be the needs of our economy.

“If we can’t recruit the nurses we need and we ask nurses to come and work here from abroad, if we can’t recruit the engineers because the Conservative Government hasn’t invested in training for so long, then we have to do something about it.”

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Tim Farron
Tim Farron Photograph: Peter Byrne/PA

Meanwhile, Tim Farron is still getting bogged down over questions about his religion.

The LibDem leader claimed voters find it “bizarre” for journalists to be “banging on about someone’s faith” after sidestepping questions on whether he believes abortion is wrong, PA reports.

Farron was asked five times to outline his stance on abortion, including if he believes it is “wrong”, during an appearance on Sky News’s Sophy Ridge on Sunday.

Farron repeatedly stressed he believed women should have access to abortion which is “legal and safe”.

He stated this is a long-term view of his after a 2007 interview with a Salvation Army publication emerged in which he reportedly said “abortion is wrong”.

Farron, after being asked twice to say if he believed abortion was wrong, was told by Ridge that he had not been clear.

He replied: “Well, I believe women should have access under law which is safe and legal, and I think that’s the critical issue - do you believe people should be able to make that choice under law, and do you believe the law as it stands is right and the science that dictates, or rather underlines, that law is right.

“I do believe that, I did then and I do now.”

He added: “My job is to fight for the rights of all of those people.”

Farron listed concerns over schools and Brexit, adding: “I think people think it’s bizarre that journalists and others spend their time banging on about someone’s faith.”

He added: “I’m a liberal, I protect and defend people’s rights to make those choices.
“I believe abortion should be safe, legally accessible. That’s what I believed then, that’s what I believe now.

Here’s Rowena Mason’s take on Damian Green’s comments.

Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell appearing on the Andrew Marr Show
Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell appearing on the Andrew Marr Show Photograph: Jeff Overs/BBC/PA

Labour will effectively end the freeze on welfare benefits with a package of reforms, John McDonnell has said, writes PA.

The shadow chancellor claimed the party’s proposals would make the freeze irrelevant, but refused to say whether he would unfreeze benefits.

McDonnell told BBC 1’s Andrew Marr Show: “We’re putting 30 billion in over the lifetime of a parliament into welfare, we’re reforming the whole process - universal credits and the implication of that will be, the impact will be, basically the freeze - the impact of these proposals will make the freeze irrelevant because we’ll reform the whole process.”

When pressed on whether he would end the freeze, he said: “In effect, we will be doing as part of the overall reform package that we’re putting forward which includes the introduction of a real living wage as well, which includes the reform of universal credits, and a whole range of other aspects - including scrapping the bedroom tax, sanctions, et cetera.”

McDonnell rejected Resolution Foundation findings that 78% of Conservative cuts would not be reversed under Labour proposals.

“I think the proposals that we’ll be putting forward on reform, as we’ve set out already, will ensure that in effect we will be addressing this issue of how we reverse the benefit freeze itself.

“I want to do it as part of an overall reform package and not just pick off one by one.”
“I feel so strongly on this - we will deliver this in the first budget.”

He also said the party would “get back to the Dilnot proposals” which included a 72,000 cap on care costs, due to be scrapped under Conservative plans. McDonnell said: “What he recommended was a cap which I agree because that gives the certainty to people about how much they will pay.”

The Tories have been criticised for the proposals to shake up social care funding which could see more elderly people paying to be looked after in their own home. McDonnell added:

“The reason some people are calling it unfortunately a Dementia tax is because you don’t know what condition you’ll suffer from, and if it is a more serious one like Dementia - and I tell you I’ve been through this in my family, I know what it’s like - what happens is the burden falls upon you.

“Dilnot’s proposals was also to have a threshold as well so there would be enough for your children to inherit if you had those assets.

“But he said this basic principle, which is the NHS principle, you pool the risk and in that way people are not left, as he said, on their own.”

The bookmakers William Hill have cut the odds on Labour winning the election from 25-1 to 14-1.

It reports a surge of support for the Labour Party with the price of a Labour majority cut four times since 8 May.

A Conservative majority was 1-33 and is now less than half at 1-16.

“Labour still face a massive task but the Conservative landslide that many pundits predicted is perhaps not a certainty,” said William Hill spokesman Rupert Adams.

Andrew Marr and Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green appearing on the BBC One current affairs programme, The Andrew Marr Show.
Andrew Marr and Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green appearing on the BBC One current affairs programme, The Andrew Marr Show. Photograph: Jeff Overs/BBC/PA

Here’s PA’s first take on Damian Green’s appearance on the Marr programme.

Pensioners who are in “genuine need” will continue to receive the winter fuel allowance under Conservative plans to means test the payments, the Work and Pensions Secretary has said.

Green refused however to be drawn on how many pensioners would lose the allowance if the Tories were returned to power on 8 June, saying they would consult on the future level of payments.

“The money we save on winter fuel payments going to Mick Jagger and Bernie Ecclestone and indeed John McDonnell - that will be better spent on the social care system which needs more money,” he told the Marr Show.

“We will consult so that everyone who is in genuine need of the winter fuel payment will still get it.

“Releasing that money for use in the social care system is absolutely a good way forward for us to start improving our social care system which is vital for so many people.”

Green said the narrowing of the Conservatives’ lead over Labour in the opinion polls would focus voter’s attention on the prospect that Jeremy Corbyn could enter No 10.

“I think this will focus people’s minds on the fact that in less than a month’s time Jeremy Corbyn could be leading the Brexit negotiations,” he said.

“Given Labour’s complete lack of credibility, nonsensical economic policy as well as their other policies - nobody surely wants that.”

Politics Home focuses on Green’s spat with McDonnell over capitalism

Green also ruled out a rethink on the controversial social care plan.

Asked about Unite boss Len McCluskey’s claim that winning 200 seats would represent a success for Labour, Corbyn said: “Len was thinking out loud, I believe. I haven’t spoken to him before or since.” He added:

“We’re campaigning to win this election. We are mobilising a lot of people to win this election. Large numbers of people who have never voted before are registering to vote. They are having a conversation about the kind of society we are and the kind of direction in which we go. I think it is about time we had that conversation and I’m happy to be part of it, and I’m enjoying it.”

On his support for the IRA in the 1980s, Corbyn says he wanted to bring peace in Northern Ireland. He insists he talked to loyalists at the time. “All bombing has to be condemned and you have to bring about a peace process,” he says. But he refuses to condemn the IRA specifically.

Corbyn gets tetchy with Sky’s Sophy Ridge. “I don’t know what you are getting at,” he says after several questions about whether he condemns the IRA.

Q: Do you have anything to apologise for over support for the IRA?

The Troubles were a terrible time, Corbyn says.

Sky is broadcasting its full interview with Corbyn. He insists that Labour does plan to help the poorest citing free school meals, the winter fuel allowance and the triple lock on pensions.

On immigration Corbyn says freedom of movement ends when the UK leaves EU. I want there to be fair migration based on needs of society, he says. He dodges several questions about whether he wants immigration to go up or down.

Corbyn says he “cannot get into numbers games”.

Updated

Johnson hesitates about Trump's future

Boris Johnson was very hesitant about whether Donald Trump will serve a full term.

The foreign secretary said:

“Er, look you know, er that’s really something for the American people and the American system. My strong impression is that there is all sorts of plaster is falling off the ceiling as a result of the style of his government.”

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson Photograph: POOL/Reuters

Here’s some reaction:

Updated

More on the the one-hour break from election campaigning to remember Jo Cox.

Candidates from all parties have been asked to choose an hour on Sunday in which to honour Cox and recognise that people have more in common than they have have differences, a message from her maiden speech to the House of Commons.

Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn will participate in the pause, which was described as a “powerful sign of togetherness” by Cox’s husband, Brendan.

Johnson describes Donald Trump as “refreshing” for the way he tweets his opinions.

We often disagree but the fundamentals of Britain’s relationship with the UK is strong, Johnson says.

Asked if Trump will serve a full term, Johnson says that is for the American people.

There is “all sorts of plaster falling off the ceiling” because of Trump’s approach, Johnson says. He praises Trump’s interventions in the Middle East, and contrasts this with decisions taken by Barack Obama.

Johnson is asked about the target of getting immigration down to the tens of thousands.

He insists it is sensible. When asked when it will be achieved, Johnson says “when we take back control” from the European Union.

Over on ITV Boris Johnson is asked whether the cabinet was consulted on the social care plans. He dodges the question but defends the policy. This is a policy that has been supported across the spectrum, Johnson says, citing “my old friend Polly Toynbee”.

Johnson says he understands public reservations about the social care plan plan. Most people will think it is reasonable, but says details will be consulted on.

This is a responsible, grown-up, Conservative approach, says Johnson.

LibDem leader Tim Farron is on Sky. He is asked about his party “flop” in the polls.

He insists that the LibDems are the only party that can take seats off the Tories despite the increase in the polls for Labour.

He says if you fear the dementia tax don’t let the Tories take you for granted. Theresa May will be emboldened to introduce the policy if she gets a big majority, Farron says.

This is the last chance saloon, Farron says.

He accuses Corbyn of holding hands with May in jumping of a cliff edge Brexit plan.

Green and McDonnell go head to head on the Marr sofa. McDonnell denies he is being lined up to replace Philip Hammond as chancellor. Hammond is doing a great job, Green says.

Green accuses McDonnell of failing to understand that issuing bonds counts as public borrowing.

It is cost neutral, McDonnell says. He accuses Green of talking “factious economics”. He also points out that Green is a former board member of a water company.

“You don’t understand capitalism”, Green tells McDonnell.

McDonnell insists that Labour’s plans to renationalise industries such as water companies will be cost neutral.

McDonnell dodges questions about whether Labour will reverse the freeze on benefits.

He won’t say whether a Labour Government will unfreeze benefits.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell is next up on Marr. He calls for the Dilnot proposals for pooling the risk on social care to be reinstated. Labour backs the idea of a cap rather than a floor on social care costs.

McDonnell says we have all been let down by Tory proposals and calls for a return to cross party consensus around the Dilnot review.

Q: Andrew Dilnot says the Tory plan will leave people helpless

Dilnots plan to create a cap rather than a floor creates more unfairness, Green says. A floor of £100,000 is fairer for everyone.

Green rules out looking again at the social care proposals.

Green is challenged about the Tories abandoning a 2015 pledge to cap social care costs.

The policy had to change because more people need care, Green suggests.

Q: Why should people vote Conservative if they are facing big hikes in social care costs?

Green points out that families will be able to inherit more under the pledge to allow people to pass on £100,000. More money goes into social care under the proposals. “This is a much fairer system”, he says.

Q: The Bow Group says this is the biggest stealth tax in history

The Bow Group is wrong, Green says.

Green says money saved by forcing the likes of Mick Jagger to pay for care costs will be better spent on those who need it. Labour’s manifesto is just a wish list, he claims.

Those in ‘genuine need’ of the winter fuel allowance will still get it, Green says. He says the Tories would consult on who gets the allowance.

Releasing that money from winter fuel payments will start improving the social care system.

Pensions secretary Damian Green is next up on Marr. He is quizzed on the lack of costings in the Tory manifesto compared to Labour’s pledges.

Greens says this weekend will “focus peoples’ minds” on the election in less than three weeks.

Nuttall defends Ukip’s one-in one-out immigration policy. He claims too many communities have been turned upside down by immigration. “Somebody has to get immigration under control,” he tells Marr.

He accepts that he is leading the party at a “completely different time” from Nigel Farage.

Ukip Leader Paul Nuttall is on Marr. He says Ukip’s job is to be the “guard dogs of Brexit”.

He claims Ukip has a great future despite the local election results and one poll showing the party on just 6%.

It doesn’t matter how many MPs Ukip gets, Nuttal claims. “We will do very well indeed”, he insists.

Nuttall reckons there is a “good chance” that the party will win in some seats, including Clacton.

Corbyn got rock star treatment and chants of “Oh Jeremy Corbyn” at a Libertines gig at the Tranmere Rovers ground on Merseyside on Saturday.

Updated

The phrase “Dementia tax” appears to be sticking according to Labour candidates and supporters.

Updated

Sky News has released snippets of its interview with Corbyn. He appears to be in fairly good mood.

Asked if he was going to win the election, he said: “It’s going very well, large numbers of people are flocking to join the Labour Party and join in our campaigns.”

But Corbyn refused to give a direct response to the question of whether there should be more or less immigration after Brexit.

“Freedom of movement obviously ends when you leave the European Union because it’s a condition of the membership,” he said.

Corbyn was also pressed several times on his support for the IRA. “I wanted to bring about peace in Northern Ireland. You have to talk to people with whom you don’t agree. And I did,” he said.

Summary

Welcome to the fifth week of the snap election campaign and another special Sunday edition of the Guardian’s politics live blog.

I’m Matthew Weaver standing in again for Andrew Sparrow, but I still can’t match his speed and insight so bear with me.

What’s happening?

The outcome of this election is seen as so certain that a fall in the opinion poll lead for the Conservatives to just 12 points is considered front page news. The Mail on Sunday puts the slip in Tory support all down to the party’s controversial plans to force individuals to pay for social care if they have savings and assets worth more than £100,000.

It says the Tories are facing a “dementia tax backlash”, and pointedly says that it is the opposition to this that is “strong” – it resists adding “and stable”.

A Survation poll for the paper backs up the claim. It found the Tory lead is down 5% since the launch of the manifestos. It found that 47% oppose Theresa May’s social care funding plans, with only 28% in favour.

“Significantly, 28% say the proposals have made them less likely to vote Tory, with 8% more likely to do so.”

A YouGov poll for the Sunday Times is even more alarming for the Tories, giving them a lead of only 9 points. As the smallest lead for May this year it will “set nerves jangling in Tory high command”, the paper says.
It attributes this “Tory wobble” to the unpopularity of Tory manifesto pledges on social care costs and the removal of winter fuel allowance.

There papers maybe just trying to inject drama into the campaign when the outcome still seems fairly predictable. But there is now far less talk of stonking a Tory majority and a Labour wipe out.

And Jeremy Corbyn senses an opportunity, warning that the Tories are creating a “war between the generations”.

He has vowed to protect pensioners from Conservative “attacks” claiming they will be £330 a year worse off under the plans set out in the Tory manifesto. He has also set out “five key pledges to ensure older people have the security and dignity they deserve.”

Meanwhile, Theresa May has been on the defensive in an interview for the Sunday Telegraph ... but not about social care.
The key issue for the Telegraph is whether she is abandoning Thatcherism. “No, I’m not,” she said, adding: “We are the party that believes in low taxation, recognises the importance of the strength of the economy - and that does mean ensuring business is supported.”

At a glance

Diary

  • The party leaders will stop for an hour today as politicians of all sides take time to remember murdered MP Jo Cox.
  • At 9am the BBC’s Andrew Marr programme will feature interviews with Ukip leader Paul Nuttall, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell and Pensions Secretary Damian Green.
  • At 10am Sky News will broadcast an interview Jeremy Corbyn gave to Sophy Ridge. And over on ITV, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson and Green Party Co-leader Caroline Lucas, are due to appear on ITV Robert Peston show.
  • Later Jeremy Corbyn is due to visit a Liverpool arts centre, Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron is to attend a community picnic in Kendal.
  • In Scotland, Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale will be joined by representatives from the Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives and the SNP for an event to mark the campaign truce. Dugdale will later be facing off with the SNP’s Nicola Sturgeon, Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson, Liberal Democrat Willie Rennie, Ukip’s David Coburn and Patrick Harvie of the Scottish Green Party for a BBC TV debate.

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