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McClatchy Washington Bureau
McClatchy Washington Bureau
Politics
David Goldstein and Lesley Clark

5 takeaways from debate between vice presidential candidates

FARMVILLE, Va. _ The first and only vice presidential debate, at Longwood University in southern Virginia, was mostly about the candidates who were not in the room.

Mike Pence, the governor of Indiana, had the bigger challenge in defending Donald Trump, who had one of the worst weeks of his candidacy after he seemed unprepared at the first presidential debate. Pence called some of Tim Kaine's attacks "nonsense," and swatted away some of Kaine's more clearly canned lines, including two that referenced Trump's reality TV show. But he deflected and diverted the conversation as Kaine challenged him on his unwillingness to defend Trump.

Kaine needed to help hold the ground that Democratic contender Hillary Clinton reclaimed in the polls after the first debate. He often interrupted Pence and repeated a list of Trump's characterizations of women, Latinos and African-Americans. He also often injected Trump's admiration for Russia's leader Vladimir Putin.

Pence, the governor of Indiana, sought to assure voters that there is a steady hand at the helm and that Clinton's record as the secretary of state may have made the country more unsafe.

Here are five takeaways from their debate:

_TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER

Who actually looks and acts like a president has been a topic this campaign and Pence and Kaine _ who would serve under either the oldest person to ever become president _ Donald Trump is 70 _ or the second oldest _ Clinton is about to turn 69, found some common ground with their records.

Asked about their leadership abilities in case either man had to step into the Oval Office, Kaine ticked off his resume: missionary, civil rights lawyer, mayor of Richmond, governor and senator from Virginia. He said he would "relish" the role of being Clinton's "right hand man," adding that she told him, "I think you will help me figure out how to govern this nation so the success of this administration is the difference we make in people's lives."

Pence, who served in Congress and is now his state's chief executive, talked about his growing up in small-town Indiana "with a cornfield in my backyard." If the responsibilities of the presidency ever fell to him, "I would meet that moment with that lifetime of experience."

_WHERE ARE THE TAX RETURNS

Pence sought to turn the controversy over Trump's refusal to release his tax returns _ and a report that Trump filed a nearly $1 billion loss in 1995 that would have allowed him to avoid paying any federal income tax for nearly two decades _ into an attack aimed at portraying Clinton and Kaine as tax and spend liberals.

"All we heard is more taxes, $2 trillion in more spending," Pence said as the moderator asked him whether Trump should release his tax returns, as Pence did in September. "Honestly, senator, you can roll out the numbers and the sunny side but I've got to tell you the people in Scranton know better the answer to this economy is not more taxes."

Pressed by the moderator, Pence argued that Trump was a "businessman, not a politician" and used a provision in the tax code to keep his business afloat.

"How do you know that? We don't know his taxes," Kaine shot back, arguing that Trump once promised in 2014 that he would release his returns when he ran for the presidency.

_WHOSE CAMPAIGN IS UGLIER

Clinton was seen as getting under Trump's skin at the first presidential debate by recalling Trump's remarks on women as "dogs" and "pigs." Kaine and Pence traded barbs over whose campaign had started the invective.

Pence accused Clinton of conducting an "insult-driven campaign," adding that if Trump "said all the things you said he did, he still wouldn't have a fraction of insults" that Clinton leveled when she accused half of Trump's supporters of being in a "basket of deplorables."

But Kaine noted that Clinton had apologized for the remarks and noted Trump had never apologized to President Barack Obama for questioning his birthplace or to Sen. John McCain for saying he preferred war heroes who hadn't been captured.

And he made it personal, noting that Trump had questioned the impartiality of a federal judge in Indiana because of his Mexican heritage.

"Your judge, a Hoosier judge," Kaine said, looking at Pence. "I can't imagine how you could defend that."

Pence shook his head.

_ON POLICE AND RACE

Pence gave an impassioned defense of police officers and his running mate's call for increased "law and order" as the two tangled over how to handle rising tensions over the deaths of black men at the hands of police officers.

"Let's not have the reflex of assuming the worst of men and women in law enforcement," Pence said. "Law enforcement in this country is a force for good."

He charged that "broad-brush generalizations of bias ... demean law enforcement broadly."

Kaine countered that "people shouldn't be afraid to bring up bias in law enforcement."

Pence defended Trump's support for the controversial policing tactic known as stop-and-frisk, but Kaine warned it would be a "big mistake" that could worse racial polarization.

_AND WHAT ABOUT RUSSIA

They also clashed over Trump's praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin, with Pence calling Putin a "small and bullying leader" _ unlike Trump who has been largely complimentary of Putin's strong leadership.

Pence tried to back off a statement he made in September that Putin was a "stronger leader" than Obama, but Kaine insisted he had said it.

Kaine used the exchange to again criticize Trump for not releasing his tax returns, saying that Americans deserve to know if Trump has any business in Russia.

"If you don't know the difference between dictatorship and leadership, then you've got to go back to a fifth-grade civics class," Kaine said of Trump's position on Putin.

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